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Questioner:
The Westerners who occasionally come to see you are faced with a peculiar
difficulty. The very notion of a liberated man, a realized man, a self-knower,
a God-knower, a man beyond the world, is unknown to them. All they have in
their Christian culture is the idea of a saint: a pious man, law-abiding,
God-fearing, fellow-loving, prayerful, sometimes prone to ecstasies and
confirmed by a few miracles. The very idea of a jnani is foreign to
Western culture, something exotic and rather unbelievable. Even when his
existence is accepted, he is looked at with suspicion, as a case of
self-induced euphoria caused by strange physical postures and mental attitudes.
The very idea of a new dimension in consciousness seems to them implausible and
improbable.
What will help them is the opportunity of
hearing a jnani relate his own experience of realization, its causes and
beginnings, its progress and attainments and its actual practice in daily life.
Much of what he says may remain strange, even meaningless, yet there will
remain a feeling of reality, an atmosphere of actual experiencing, ineffable,
yet very real, a centre from which an exemplary life can be lived.
Maharaj:
The experience may be incommunicable. Can one communicate an experience?
Q: Yes, if one is an artist. The essence of art
is communication of feeling, of experience.
M: To receive communication, you must be
receptive.
Q: Of course. There must be a receiver. But if
the transmitter does not transmit, of what use is the receiver?
M: The jnani belongs to all. He gives
himself tirelessly and completely to whoever comes to him. If he is not a
giver, he is not a jnani. Whatever he has, he shares.
Q: But can he share what he is?
M: You mean, can he make others into jnanis?
Yes and no. No, since jnanis are not made, they realize themselves as
such, when they return to their source, their real nature. I cannot make you
into what you already are. All I can tell you is the way I travelled and invite
you to take it.
Q: This does not answer my question. I have in
mind the critical and sceptical Westerner who denies the very possibility of
higher states of consciousness. Recently drugs have made a breach in his
disbelief, without affecting his materialistic outlook. Drugs or no drugs, the
body remains the primary fact and the mind is secondary. Beyond the mind, they
see nothing. From Buddha onwards the state of self-realization was described in
negative terms, as 'not this, not that'. Is it inevitable? Is it not possible
to illustrate it, if not describe. I admit, no verbal description will do, when
the state described is beyond words. Yet it is also within words. Poetry is the
art of putting into words the inexpressible.
M: There is no lack of religious poets. Turn to
them for what you want. As far as I am concerned, my teaching is simple: trust
me for a while and do what I tell you. If you persevere, you will find that
your trust was justified.
Q: And what to do with people who are
interested, but cannot trust?
M: If they could stay with me, they would come
to trust me. Once they trust me, they will follow my advice and discover for
themselves.
Q: It is not for the training that I am asking
just now, but for its results. You had both. You are willing to tell us all
about the training, but when it comes to results, you refuse to share. Either
you tell us that your state is beyond words, or that there is no difference;
that where we see a difference, you see none. In both cases we are left without
any insight into your state.
M: How can you have insight into my state when
you are without insight into your own? When the very instrument of insight is
lacking, is it not important to find it first? It is like a blind man wanting
to learn painting before he regains his eyesight. You want to know my state --
but do you know the state of your wife or servant?
Q: I am asking for some hints only.
M: Well, I gave you a very significant clue --
where you see differences, I don't. To me it is enough. If you think it is not
enough, I can only repeat; it is enough. Think it out deeply and you will come
to see what I see. You seem to want instant insight, forgetting that the
instant is always preceded by a long preparation. The fruit falls suddenly, but
the ripening takes time. After all, when I talk of trusting me, it is only for
a short time, just enough time to start you moving. The more earnest you are,
the less belief you need, for soon you will find your faith in me justified.
You want me to prove to you that I am trustworthy! How can I and why should l?
After all, what I am offering you is the operational approach, so current in
Western science. When a scientist describes an experiment and its results,
usually you accept his statements on trust and repeat his experiment as he
describes it. Once you get the same or similar results, you need not trust him
any more; you trust your own experience. Encouraged, you proceed and arrive in
the end at substantially identical results.
Q: The Indian mind was made ready for
metaphysical experiments by culture and nurture. To the Indian words like
'direct perception of the Supreme Reality' make sense and bring out responses
from the very depths of his being. They mean little to a Westerner; even when
brought up in his own variety of Christianity, he does not think beyond
conformity with God's commandments and Christ's injunctions. First-hand
knowledge of reality is not only beyond ambition, but also beyond conceiving.
Some Indians tell me: 'Hopeless. The Westerner will not, for he cannot. Tell
him nothing about self-realization; let him live a useful life and earn a
rebirth in India. Then only will he have a chance'. Some say: 'Reality is for
all equally, but not all are equally endowed with the capacity to grasp it. The
capacity will come with desire, which will grow into devotion and ultimately
into total self-dedication. With integrity and earnestness and iron
determination to overcome all obstacles, the Westerner has the same chance as
the Oriental man. All he needs is the rousing of interest'. To rouse his
interest in self-knowledge he needs to be convinced about its advantages.
M: You believe it is possible to transmit a
personal experience?
Q: I do not know. You speak of unity, identity
of the seer with the seen. When all is one, communication should be feasible.
M: To have the direct experience of a country
one must go and live there. Don't ask for the impossible. A man's spiritual
victory no doubt benefits mankind, but to benefit another individual, a close
personal relation is required. Such relation is not accidental and not
everybody can claim it. On the other hand, the scientific approach is for all.
'Trust-test-taste'. What more do you need? Why push the Truth down unwilling
throats? It cannot be done, anyhow. Without a receiver what can the giver do?
Q: The essence of art is to use the outer form
to convey an inner experience. Of course, one must be sensitive to the inner,
before the outer can be meaningful. How does one grow in sensitivity?
M: Whichever way you put it, it comes to the
same. Givers there are many; where are the takers?
Q: Can you not share your own sensitivity?
M: Yes, I can, but sharing is a two-way street.
Two are needed in sharing. Who is willing to take what I am willing to give?
Q: You say we are one. Is this not enough?
M: I am one with you. Are you one with me? If
you are, you will not ask questions. If you are not, if you do not see what I
see, what can I do beyond showing you the way to improve your vision?
Q: What you cannot give is not your own.
M: I claim nothing as my own. When the 'I' is
not, where is the 'mine'?. Two people look at a tree. One sees the fruit hidden
among the leaves and the other does not. Otherwise there is no difference
between the two. The one that sees knows that with a little attention the other
will also see, but the question of sharing does not arise. Believe me, I am not
close-fisted, holding back your share of reality. On the contrary, I am all
yours, eat me and drink me. But while you repeat verbally: 'give, give', you do
nothing to take what is offered. I am showing you a short and easy way to being
able to see what I see, but you cling to your old habits of thought, feeling
and action and put all the blame on me. I have nothing which you do not have.
Self-knowledge is not a piece of property to be offered and accepted. It is a
new dimension altogether, where there is nothing to give or take.
Q: Give us at least some insight into the
content of your mind while you live your daily life. To eat, to drink, to talk,
to sleep -- how does it feel at your end?
M: The common things of life: I experience them
just as you do. The difference lies in what I do not experience. I do not
experience fear or greed, hate or anger. I ask nothing, refuse nothing, keep
nothing. In these matters I do not compromise. Maybe this is the outstanding
difference between us. I will not compromise, I am true to myself, while you
are afraid of reality.
Q: From the Westerner's point of view there is
something disturbing in your ways. To sit in a corner all by oneself and keep
on repeating: 'I am God, God I am', appears to be plain madness. How to convince
a Westerner that such practices lead to supreme sanity?
M: The man who claims to be God and the man who
doubts it -- both are deluded. They talk in their dream.
Q: If all is dreaming, what is waking?
M: How to describe the waking state in dreamland
language? Words do not describe, they are only symbols.
Q: Again the same excuse that words cannot
convey reality.
M: If you want words, I shall give you some of
the ancient words of power. Repeat any of them ceaselessly; they can work
wonders.
Q: Are you serious? Would you tell a Westerner
to repeat 'Om' or 'Ram' or 'Hare Krishna' ceaselessly, though he lacks
completely the faith and conviction born of the right cultural and religious
background. Without confidence and fervour, repeating mechanically the same
sounds, will he ever achieve anything?
M: Why not? It is the urge, the hidden motive
that matters, not the shape it takes. Whatever he does, if he does it for the
sake of finding his own real self, will surely bring him to himself.
Q: No need of faith in the efficacy of the
means?
M: No need of faith which is but expectation of
results. Here the action only counts. Whatever you do for the sake of truth,
will take you to truth. Only be earnest and honest. The shape it takes hardly
matters.
Q: Then where is the need of giving expression
to one's longing?
M: No need. Doing nothing is as good. Mere
longing, undiluted by thought and action, pure, concentrated longing, will take
you speedily to your goal. It is the true motive that matters, not the manner.
Q: Unbelievable! How can dull repetition in
boredom verging on despair, be effective?
M: The very facts of repetition, of struggling
on and on and of endurance and perseverance, in spite of boredom and despair
and complete lack of conviction are really crucial. They are not important by
themselves, but the sincerity behind them is all-important. There must be a
push from within and pull from without.
Q: My questions are typical of the West. There
people think in terms of cause and effect, means and goals. They do not see
what causal connection can there be between a particular word and the Absolute
Reality.
M: None whatsoever. But there is a connection
between the word and its meaning, between the action and its motive. Spiritual
practice is will asserted and re-asserted. Who has not the daring will not
accept the real even when offered. Unwillingness born out of fear is the only
obstacle.
Q: What is there to be afraid of?
M: The unknown. The not-being, not-knowing,
not-doing. The beyond.
Q: You mean to say that while you can share the
manner of your achievement, you cannot share the fruits?
M: Of course I can share the fruits and I am
doing so all the time. But mine is a silent language. Learn to listen and
understand.
Q: I do not see how one can begin without conviction.
M: Stay with me for some time, or give your mind
to what I say and do and conviction will dawn.
Q: Not everybody has the chance of meeting you.
M: Meet your own self. Be with your own self,
listen to it, obey it, cherish it, keep it in mind ceaselessly. You need no
other guide. As long as your urge for truth affects your daily life, all is
well with you. Live your life without hurting anybody. Harmlessness is a most
powerful form of Yoga and it will take you speedily to your goal. This
is what I call nisarga yoga, the Natural yoga. It is the art of
living in peace and harmony, in friendliness and love. The fruit of it is
happiness, uncaused and endless.
Q: Still, all this presupposes some faith.
M: Turn within and you will come to trust
yourself. In everything else confidence comes with experience.
Q: When a man tells me that he knows something
I do not know, I have the right to ask: 'what is if that you know, that I do
not know?'
M: And if he tells you that it cannot be
conveyed in words?
Q: Then I watch him closely and try to make
out.
M: And this is exactly what I want you to do! Be
interested, give attention, until a current of mutual understanding is
established. Then the sharing will be easy. As a matter of fact, all
realization is only sharing. You enter a wider consciousness and share in it.
Unwillingness to enter and to share is the only hindrance. I never talk of
differences, for to me there are none. You do, so it is up to you to show them
to me. By all means, show me the differences. For this you will have to
understand me, but then you will no longer talk of differences. Understand one
thing well, and you have arrived. What prevents you from knowing is not the
lack of opportunity, but the lack of ability to focus in your mind what you want
to understand. If you could but keep in mind what you do not know, it would
reveal to you its secrets. But if you are shallow and impatient, not earnest
enough to look and wait, you are like a child crying for the moon.
